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Donated to the JDF today. Love your content! LGRW!

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Option 1 feels fairly unsustainable - even if I rate their talent levels, so the question is how can option 2 work out.

I'm seeing a few paths forward for how the depth can 'step up' and was wondering if anyone may know some details to help add some odds to these outcomes. [Note: still deeply naïve about hockey advanced stats, so some of this may be effectively 'google it', and I'm going to us different metrics than GAR because...I don't have an Evolving Hockey account]

Path 1: Depth veterans revert to pre-Wings levels - In particular, do we see likely reversion candidates?

For instance using xSPAR[no idea if that's a good metric, but appears roughly related to my eye test] - Copp was a +2-4 player with the Jets and a minus player with the Wings. Notably he was +1 last year, which at least loosely matches my 'He was fine and things went off the rails when he got hurt' analysis. If Copp reverts to a slightly below average second and above average third liner, that takes some of the weight off the core 4. And Kane has only played about half the games thus far - and would be expected to be a positive xSPAR player(surprised to see he's only listed with .6 last year compared to 3.5 in 23-24).

However, to be a bit more nuanced - what would our expected reversion be based on their age curves? Ex. Is age 31 Copp expected to be neutral or could we expect him to return to being a slight positive? How much of an exception does Kane need to be for the same?

Path 2: Youth Development - Both rookies and other young players are obvious candidates for improvement. Based on your other article it appears Ed is a likely candidate, and is likely in the middle due to a rough start to the year. But otherwise the Wings have quite a youth movement - Finnie, Sandin-Pellikka, Kasper, Danielson, Edvinsson, Raymond, Soderblom, and Seider in the under 25 category and obviously MBN also made an appearance at the start of the year. [Not to mention our 3 25 year olds Johansson, JBD, and Berggren who may not have as much upside - but have plenty of mystery in their numbers] Seider and Raymond have obviously been hitting on that, while Kasper is having a sophmore slump. Will Finnie revert to his hot start? Stay where he's at? Tire out as the year goes by? And then the same for the rest of the crew?

The question underlying that - what do we see from other rookies and young players regarding their growth curve both across seasons (ex. Ed, Kasper, Soda) and within seasons(especially for rookies due to the 'figuring out the game' vs. 'tired by a long season' tropes)?

I could see it being likely that we see huge amounts of depth improvement from those 8 from added experience and understanding of the system, but could also see a later season drop off. So, to the extent we can add probabilities to those outcomes, that's great guidance on where the Wings need to be, do they need to add, etc.

Path 3: Acquisition - Need for which is influenced by the above 2 answers.

Obviously we can hope that everyone plays better in all ways, but I'm curious to better understand where it's a surprise if things get better and where we can, if not expect, at least look with some confidence. I'm still rather blown away by the youth movement in the team and am struggling to appropriately gauge what's a fair expectation of any of them.

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